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>> ERIC: WE HAVE A FULL LINEUP TONIGHT.

RECORD INFLATION.

THE JANUARY 6TH COMMITTEE.

MENTAL HEALTH IN THE TIME OF COVID.

IT WAS A BIG WEEK FOR PRINCE ROGERS NELSON.

WE'LL TOUCH ON THAT TOO.

THEN MARY LAHAMMER TAKES A LOOK AT HISTORIC FLOODING UP NORTH.

>> Mary: WE'LL SHOW YOU HOW FLOOD WATER ON RAINY LAKE IS THREATENING A VARIETIES OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES.

>> THIS ABSOLUTELY LOOKED LIKE THE TITANIC.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE THE MOST WATER THAT THEY'VE PROBABLY EVER SEEN THERE.

>> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> ERIC: IN A FEW MINUTES, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE JANUARY 6TH HEARINGS AND LEARN ABOUT FLOODING UP ON THE RAINY RIVER.

BUT FIRST UP IN THE HOUR, TODAY'S INFLATION NEWS.

>> CATHY: THE GOVERNMENT RELEASED FRESH INFLATION DATA TODAY, AND THE NEWS CONTINUES TO BE RECORD-SETTING.

INFLATION WAS UP 1% LAST MONTH, BRINGING YEAR TO YEAR INFLATION TO 8.6%.

IT'S AGAIN A 40-YEAR HIGH.

FOOD, GAS, AND HOUSING CONTINUE TO DRIVE THE NUMBERS.

LOUIS JOHNSTON JOINS US.

HE'S AN ECONOMIST AT THE COLLEGE OF ST. BENEDICT AND ST. JOHN'S UNIVERSITY.

THANKS FOR DRIVING DOWN.

IT TOOK ABOUT A THIRD OF A TANK OF GAS.

SO THANK YOU.

>> A LITTLE BIT.

>> Cathy: THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

WHAT'S BEHIND THE BIG JUMPING?

TWO THINGS.

>> AND IN PARTICULAR, ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH CRUDE OIL OR NATURAL GAS.

AND THE OTHER THING IS COMMODITY PRICES, ESPECIALLY THINGS LIKE AGRICULTURAL COMMODITIES.

THE WAR IN UKRAINE IS AFFECTING BOTH OF THOSE THINGS AND AS LONG AS THE WAR IT GOING ON, WE'RE GOING TO SEE PRICE INCREASES.

>> Eric: THE PRESIDENT IND OF SAID THE RUSSIAN-UKRAINE WAR IS THE PROBLEM.

IS THAT A LEGITIMATE EXPLANATION?

>> OH, ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TWO ISSUES THAT HAVE ASICALLY DRIVEN UP THE INFLATION RATE.

THE FIRST NE WAS THE PANDEMIC AND THE FACT THAT WE DECIDED THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO JUST LET PEOPLE LOSE THEIR JOBS, LOSE THEIR INCOMES.

WE STIMULATED THE ECONOMY.

AND WE MAY HAVE DONE A LITTLE TOO MUCH.

BUT YOU CAN'T KNOW THAT.

WE CAN ONLY KNOW THAT IN RETROSPECT.

THAT WAS STARTING TO FADE LATE LAST YEAR I THINK, BUT THEN WE GOT HIT WITH THE WATER, AND NOW ALL BETS ARE OFF.

>> Cathy: SO THE FED HAS BEEN INCREASING INTEREST RATES.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ECONOMY WITH HESE HIGHER RATES.

>> WELL, DATA IS INTEREST RATES GO UP.

THAT SLOWS THE ECONOMY DOWN.

THAT HAS THE EFFECTS OF REDUCING INFLATION.

BUT IT MIGHT ALSO SLOW THE -- AS I SAID, SLOW THE CONOMY DOWN AND DRIVE UNEMPLOYMENT UP.

SO THAT'S THE NEEDLE THAT THE FED IS TRYING TO THREAD RIGHT NOW IS CAN WE SLOW THE ECONOMY DOWN, BUT NOT THROW IT INTO REVERSE?

>> Eric: WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ECONOMY WHEN BORROWING BECOMES MORE EXPENSIVE?

>> WELL, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, IS THAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO SLOW THE ECONOMY DOWN.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT BUSINESSES GOING TO THE BANK TO BORE YOARCH MONEY TO, SAY, BUILD AN ADDITION OR BUY SOME EQUIPMENT, THAT SHOULD MAKE THEM LESS LIKELY TO DO IT.

>> Cathy: IT LOOKS LIKE THE CONCEPT OF A SOFT LANDING IS DIMMING, ISN'T IT?

>> WELL, THAT'S IT.

AND SO THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS MEETING SOON, AND PEOPLE ARE EVEN TALKING ABOUT NOW THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO RAISE INTEREST RATES HALF A PERCENT AT EVERY MEETING, THE -- THE RUMORS MAYBE ARE, MAYBE WE'LL DO 3/4 OF A PERCENTAGE NEXT TIME?

MAYBE EVEN A PERCENTAGE.

IN ORDER TO GET THIS GOING.

AND THAT IS A SIGN I THINK THAT THE SOFT LANDING EITHER IS NOT IN THEIR SIGHTS OR THEY'RE STARTING TO PUT A MUCH LOWER PROBABILITY ON IT HAPPENING.

>> Eric: WHAT DOES THIS DO TO THE HOUSEMARKET?

>> IT'S GOING TO SLOW IT DOWN DO BECAUSE MORTGAGE RATES ARE GOING TO START TO GO UP.

>> Eric: AND THAT MEANS WHAT FOUR THE ECONOMY IN GENERAL?

HOUSING STARTS WILL GO DOWN?

>> HOUSING STARTS MIGHT GO DOWN.

ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THOUGH IS IT MIGHT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO MORE HOME IMPROVEMENT RATHER THAN BUYING HOUSES.

ORBUT IT MIGHT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE INVESTING MORE IN THEIR EXISTING HOUSES.

>> Cathy: SO I'VE HEARD THAT GAS COULD GET O $6 -- THE AVERAGE PRICE OF GAS COULD GET TO SIX BUCKS BY AUGUST.

>> IT COULD.

WELL, THAT'S GONG AFFECT PEOPLE'S TRAVEL PATTERNS.

WHAT IT MIGHT DO IS IT MIGHT DISCOURAGE PEOPLE, NOT ONLY GASOLINE BUT THINGS LIKE AIRCRAFT FUEL, JET FUEL, THAT MIGHT DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM FLYING, BUT THEN THEY'LL GO TO PLACES THAT ARE CLOSER.

THEY MIGHT DRIVE INSTEAD OF FLY.

AND SO IT MIGHT NOT AFFECT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF SPENDING PEOPLE DO N TOURISM, BUT THEY MIGHT DO IT IN DIFFERENT PLACES.

>> Eric: ANY WINNERSNERS IN THIS THING?

>> YES, A COUPLE OF WINNERS ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PUMPING OIL OUT OF THE GROUND.

SO IF YOU'RE A OIL PRODUCER IN NORTH DAKOTA, IT'S PROBABLY REALLY GOOD FOR YOU.

AND THEN IT SOUNDS STRANGE BUT FARMERS IN THE UPPER HAD MIDWEST MIGHT ACTUALLY BENEFIT FROM THIS IF THE PRICES OF THEIR COMMODITIES RISE FASTER THAN THEIR COSTS.

THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY BE WINNERS.

SO IT DEPENDS.

>> Cathy: I NEED TOO ASK THIS QUESTION.

THE PRESIDENT SAYS, MY ADMINISTRATION WILL CONTINUE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO LOWER PRICES.

WHAT ARE THE OTHER TOOLS IN THE TOOL BOX?

>> WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TOOLS, REALLY.

THE TWO THINGS THAT THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT ARE, REDUCING TARIFFS.

OKAY, THAT MIGHT HELP A LITTLE BIT.

THAT MIGHT SLOW THINGS DOWN TEMPORARILY.

MAYBE SOME OTHER KINDS OF ADJUSTMENTS, BUT REALLY, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO DO.

YOU'VE GOT TO LET THE FED DO ITS WORK.

ANOTHER POSSIBILITY WOULD BE TO RAISE TAXES BUT I DON'T SEE ANY POLITICAL STOMACH FOR THAT.

>> Eric: ANOTHER TEACHABLE MOMENT FOR YOU, PROFESSOR.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

♪ ♪ >> ERIC: THE LONG-AWAITED JANUARY 6TH HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE HEARINGS BEGAN LAST NIGHT WITH A RARE THURSDAY PRIMETIME HEARING TELEVISED ON MOST NETWORKS.

LAST NIGHT'S SESSION WAS NOTABLE FOR THE HARROWING NEW FOOTAGE OF THE ATTACK OF THE CAPITOL FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE MORE THAN 100 POLICE OFFICERS INJURED THAT DAY.

LIVE TESTIMONY WAS GIVEN BY AN OFFICER WHO RECEIVED A TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY THAT DAY.

HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IMPACT THE COMMITTEE MAY HAVE IS DAVID SCHULTZ.

HE IS A POLITICAL SCIENTIST AT HAMLINE UNIVERSITY.

HE IS ALSO A LAWYER AND TEACHES AT THE U OF M LAW SCHOOL.

REPRESENTATIVE CHENEY, "THERE WILL COME A DAY WHEN DONALD TRUMP IS GONE, BUT YOUR DISHONOR WILL REMAIN," TALKING TO REPUBLICANS.

>> CHENEY WAS TRYING TO SPEAK AT A LOT OF GROUNDS AND DIRECTIONS LAST NIGHT.

SHE'S SPEAKING TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TRYING TO CONVINCE THEM THAT THEY OUGHT TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY A YEAR LATER.

BUT ALSO, SHE'S SPEAKING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, TRYING TO TELL THE OTHER REPUBLICANS AND SAY THAT, LISTEN, YOU CAN'T -- SHE DIDN'T SAY IT IN SO MANY WORDS, BUT YOU CAN'T BASICALLY SURROUND YOURSELF WITH SOMEBODY WHO ESSENTIALLY TRIED TO DO WHAT?

BREAK WITH CONSTITUTIONAL NORMS.

BREAK WITH POLITICAL NORMS.

AND TRY TO OFFSET A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED ELECTED ELECTION.

THIS IS NOT A WINNING STRATEGY FOR US.

IT'S IMPLICIT IN THERE.

AND THAT'S WHY SHE WAS PICKED.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHY SHE WAS PICKED TO BE HE LEAD SPOKES PERSON LAST NIGHT.

AND SHE'S ALSO, WHAT?

NOT A SURPRISE.

THE PERSON WHO, WHAT?

IS TARGETED BY DONALD TRUMP.

HE ABSOLUTELY HATES HER.

>> Cathy: LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE VIDEO SEEN.

WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT OF THE VIDEO 6 BILL BARR'S TESTIMONY AND ALSO IVANKA TRUMP?

>> ONE OF THEM, I THINK THEY WANTED TO DO WAS TO SHOW, TO SHOW THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP WAS ADVISED AND TOLD THERE WAS NO VOTER FRAUD, THAT THE ELECTION WAS CONDUCTED FAIRLY, AND BY INTERVIEWING IVANKA TRUMP, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO SET UP A SITUATION WHAT THEY CAN POTENTIALLY SHOW THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE IN A CASE DISREGARDED HOW ALL THE ADVICE FROM HIS FAMILY, FROM HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND NEEDLESS TO SAY, PROCEEDED TO TAKE CERTAIN TYPES OF ACTION OR INACTIONS THAT COULD EVENTUALLY LEAD TO WHAT?

CRIMINAL INDICTMENT.

AND HAT'S PART OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT HERE IS THAT THIS IS NOT JUST, I THINK, FOR HISTORIANS, FOR POSTERITY.

HIDDEN EHIND SOME OF THIS IS MAKING THE CASE FOR WHY PERHAPS THE PRESIDENT COULD BE PROSECUTED FOR SEVERAL FEDERAL CRIMES.

>> Eric: SO THE AUDIENCE IN PART IS THE DEPARTMENT OF JUGS?

>> IT'S DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

BECAUSE IF YOU CAN SHOW THAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW THAT THE ELECTION HADN'T BEEN STOLEN, IF YOU CAN HOW THAT HE INTENDED, INTENDED TO TRY TO INTERFERE WITH A LAWFUL GOVERNMENTAL PROCEEDING, THAT IS ACCOUNTING OF THE ELECTORAL VOTES BY CONGRESS, OR CERTIFYING, WHATEVER ERMS YOU WANT TO USE HERE, THAT COULD SET UP THE CASE FOR A FEDERAL FELONY, FOR TRYING TO INTERFERE WITH A FEDERAL MEETING OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENTAL FUNCTION.

AND I VIEWED LAST NIGHT ALMOST LIKE THE OPENING STATEMENT IN A CRIMINAL TRIAL.

WE'RE GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT OUR EVIDENCE IS.

WE'RE GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT OUR THEORY IS.

NOW, OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL HEARINGS, WE'RE GOING TO LAY OUT THAT ARGUMENT.

>> Cathy: DO YOU THINK THIS MOVED VOTERS?

I MEAN, 20 MILLION PEOPLE WATCHED.

>> IT'S HARD O TELL IF IT MOVED VOTERS.

THE -- THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER THINGS, LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT IN YOUR PREVIOUS SEGMENTED, 8.6% INFLATION, PEOPLE WORRIED ABOUT GAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, GROCERIES.

I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK IT MIGHT MOTIVATE DEMOCRATS.

IT MIGHT MOTIVATE AND INFLUENCE SOME SWING VOTERS.

THE FANGT FACT THAT FOX DIDN'T COVER IT LAST NIGHT, DOESN'T REACH HIS SUPPORTERS, BUT THERE'S A SENSE IN WHICH THINK EVEN IF IT'S NOT ABOUT SWITCHING VOTERS, I THINK THERE'S A POINT OUT THERE THAT THE HEARINGS ARE TO SAY, LISTEN, THIS IS IMPORTANT.

WE NEED TO EITHER PUT THIS AT LEAST IN THE HISTORY BOOKS OR TO PUT THIS IN CONTEXT, THAT THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY THAT WE HAD LOSER, IN AN ELECTION, TAKE ACTIONS TO TRY TO OVERTURN AN ELECTION.

THE ONLY EXCEPTION MAY BE -- WELL, I DON'T KNOW, THE CONFEDERACY, YOU KNOW, WHEN LINCOLN WAS ELECTED, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT SORT OF GAME AT THIS POINT.

>> Eric: WHEN FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS THE CENTER OF THIS AND THE PROUD BOYS AND THE OUTED KEEPERS AREA MEETING IN A PARKING GARAGE OR PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRYINGPARLIAMENTARYPARLIAMENTARYPARKINGRAMP.

HOW DOES FROIM FIT INTO THE CONSPIRACY THERE?

>> I THINK WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO IS TO TRY TO CONNECT.

TRY TO CONNECT THE PROUD BOYS AND OTHERS TO THE RESIDENT.

THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAYBE SHOW THAT THERE WAS COMMUNICATIONS.

AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW YET.

BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO IS TO SAY THAT BY HIS STATEMENTS ON JANUARY 6TH, HE ENCOURAGED PEOPLE TO TAKE CERTAIN ACTION, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO -- I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO ARGUE AND SAY, BUT EVEN BEFORE THAT, STATEMENTS THAT HE MADE, ACTIONS THAT HE DID, ENCOURAGED PEOPLE TO GO, AND THEN ON JANUARY 6TH, NOT ONLY BY HIS ACTS, BUT BY HIS OMISSION, HIS FAILURE TO TAKE ADVICE.

HIS FAILURE TO BRING OUT CAPITOL SECURITY.

THE TWO TOGETHER, EITHER BY OVERT ACTION OR BY NEGLIGENCE, CONSTITUTE A BREACH OF HIS DUTY.

WHEN RIIVELG REPRESENTATIVE CHENEY MADE A COMMENT ON THURSDAY AND SAID HE BREACHED HIS CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY, WHAT SHE WAS REFERRING TO IS ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION SAYS, THE PRESIDENT SHALL TAKE CARE THAT THE LAW SHALL BE FAITHFULLY EXECUTED.

HE FAILED TO TAKE CARE THAT THE LAWS WOULD BE FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THED.

>> Cathy: WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE UNNAMED NUMBER OF REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMEN WHO SOUGHT PRESIDENTIAL PARDON.

>> I SUSPECT IT'S GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO IS TO START TO TIE THE NOOSE.

THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO SHOW QUID PRO QUO, THAT THEY DID CERTAIN THINGS ON THE PROMISE THAT MAYBE THE PRESIDENT WAS GOING TO PARDON THEM.

BUT, AGAIN, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE ULTIMATELY TRYING TO DO HERE IS A CLASSIC PROSECUTORIAL TOOL, SQUEEZE THE UNDERLINGS TO GET THEM TO RAT ON THE TOP PERSON.

>> Eric: WE'LL BE WATCHING THE REST OF THE HEARINGS.

I GUESS THERE'S FIVE MORE.

THANKS, PROFESSOR.

>> ERIC: FLOODING IN NORTHERN MINNESOTA CONTINUES TO BE A REAL THREAT THIS SPRING.

SEVERAL YEARS BACK, MARY LAHAMMER SPENT SOME TIME UP ON RAINY LAKE CHRONICLING CABIN CULTURE AND THE RICH HISTORY THERE.

THIS WEEK, SHE CHECKS IN WITH ONE OF THE RAINY LAKE ISLAND INHABITANTS AND HAS THE STATE CLIMATOLOGIST PUT THE RECORD WATERS INTO PERSPECTIVE.

>> Mary: NORMALLY SUNNY NIGHTS ON RAINY LAKE WOULD FEATURE THIS FULLY RESTORED NEARLY CENTURY OLD BOAT BASKING IN THE GOLDEN HOUR.

>> WE'RE JUST STANDING IN THE WHEELHOUSE RIGHT NOW.

AND THE SALON SLEEPS FOUR PEOPLE.

THE ENGINE ROOM SLEPT TWO.

>> Mary: BUT INSTEAD OF HOSTING FASHIONABLE FASHIONABLE CRUISES, IT IS RIDING OUT RECORD FLOODS IN A BOAT HOUSE BATTERED BY STORMS.

>> THE OTHER DAY IN THE BIG WINDS, THIS WALL BREACHED.

AND THE WINDOWS BLEW OUT.

AS MUCH AS I TRY, I OULDN'T GET CYCLING BACK IN HERE TO GET ALL MY TOOLS AND ENGINES UP.

AND WHEN WE WERE HAVING 30 MILES AN HOUR WINDS, THIS ABSOLUTELY LOOKED LIKE THE TITANIC WITH VINTAGE TRUNKS AND FURNITURE FLOATING OFF TO CANADA.

AND RIGHT NOW, I CAN HONESTLY SAY, AT LEAST IT DIDN'T KILL ME TO SEE IT HAPPENING.

>> Mary: TELL US WHAT IS THE LATEST OF WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT WATER LEVELS UP NORTH.

>> RAINY LAKE HAS -- AND RAINY RIVER HAVE REACHED HISTORIC LEVELS DURING THE SPRING.

RAINY LAKE IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY ABOVE ITS HIGHEST LEVEL RECORDED, AND THAT GOES BACK TO 1950.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S STARTING TO LEVEL OFF.

PROBABLY COME DOWN IN THE WEEKS AHEAD.

BUT IT'S GOING TO REMAIN WELL ABOVE NORMAL LEVELS.

>> Mary: SO THIS IS HISTORIC, THE HIGHEST LEVELS IN MOST PEOPLE'S LIFETIMES?

>> IT'S GOING TO BE THE MOST WATER THAT THEY'VE PROBABLY EVER SEEN THERE.

IT HAS HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF PERSONAL PROPERTY THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS -- IN YOUR OFFICE, IT'S A LOT OF WHAT WE HEAR ABOUT EITHER FROM LOCAL HYDROLOGIST SEASS OR LOCAL REPORTERS IS PEOPLE LOSING THEIR DOCKS, SOME OF THEIR LAND, MAYBE THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF THEIR BUSINESS.

>> Mary: WATER IS THREATENING HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND ART FACTSES ALL AROUND ENVIRONMENTALIST EARNEST OWNER HOLTER'S OLD STOMPING GROUND.

>> IT WAS A PRIVATE COMPOUND FOR MAJOR ROBERTS BUILT FROM 1915 TO ABOUT 945.

AND ORIGINALLY IT HAD 26 BUILDINGS AND A FULL-TIME CARE TAKER COUPLE AND A MAID AND A COUPLE.

I APPRECIATE THE SORT OF HIGHER LEVEL OF RUST KATEING.

>> Mary: HANSON HAS A VERY DIFFERENT TONE A DECADE AND A HALF LATER.

>> I ALSO WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORY.

THIS, IN 1916, IN THE FLOOD, AFTER THE DAM WAS MADE, WAS A TREED AREA PROPERTY.

AFTER THAT FLOOD, ALL THE TREES DIED.

AND IT BECAME THIS BEAUTIFUL SAND BEACH.

WHICH NOW IN 2014, AND NOW IN 2022, LOOKS LIKE A BIG OLD RESERVOIR.

>> Mary: HE CAPTURED SAND BAGS SURROUNDED FIN STEAD'S AUTO AND MARINE SHOP WHICH IS LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.

DRIVING THROUGH TOWN, IN AND AROUND RAINIER, THE OADS ARE FILLING WITH WATER AND NEARBY BUILDINGS ARE SITTING IN STANDING WATER AND ROADS ARE CLOSED.

DO WE REALLY KNOW THE CAUSES?

IS IT FAIR TO SAY IT'S AS SIMPLE AS RAINFALL THAT AND IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH HOW THE WATER'S CONTROLLED AND AT DAMS AND THE WAY WATER MOVES UP THERE?

WHAT'S THE REALITY?

>> THE MAJOR INPUTS ARE THE SNOW PACK.

THEY HAD A LOT OF SNOW IN NORTHEASTERN AND NORTH CENTRAL MINNESOTA OVER THE WINTER.

AND ESPECIALLY IN THE LATE WINTER.

SO YOU HAD SNOW ACCUMULATING RIGHT BEFORE THE TIME WHERE IT WOULD START TO MELT OFF.

>> Mary: HOW ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE?

IS THAT A FACTOR?

>> WE CAN'T REALLY EVERY TALK ABOUT EXCESS WATER WITHOUT AT LEAST CONSIDERING THAT.

20, 25-INCH SNOW FALLS HAVE BECOME A BIT MORE COMMON EVEN THOUGH OUR WINTERS HAVE BEEN QIEND OF SHRINKING A LITTLE BIT.

>> Mary: IN ALL MY RESEARCH, ALL MY DOCUMENTARIES, I'VE LEARNED HUMANS REALLY CAN'T STOP WATER.

>> WHENEVER WE TRY AND OUTSMART WATER, WE FIND OUT WAYS THAT IT'S OUTSMARTED US.

>> Mary: SEA GULLS SEEM TO BE TAKING OVER WHAT WAS ONCE TREASURED CABIN LAND ALL AROUND THE LAKE THAT STRADDLES THE BORDER BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA.

VOYAGE YOUR'S NATIONAL PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY WAS FORCED TO CLOSE.

GIVEN THE DANGEROUS DROUGHT JUST A YEAR AGO.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DEFINITELY CATCHES OUR ATTENTION, THIS SAME AREA WAS IN EXCEPTIONAL DROUGHT, WHISK THE HIGH E HIGHEST LEVEL OF DROUGHT.

AS RECENTLY AS LATE AUGUST, WE WERE IN A DIRE SITUATION LAST YEAR.

WE HAD THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM.

PEOPLE WERE, YOU KNOW, WATER LEVELS WERE GETTING HISTORICALLY LOW.

MINNESOTA IS KNOWN FOR ITS EXTREMES AND ITS WILD SWINGS, BUT THIS IS A SWING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT BEYOND EVEN WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT.

>> Mary: SO THOSE EXTREMES ARE GETTING SURVIVORREAL IF NOT UNPRECEDENTED?

>> THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE LARGEST SWINGS THAT WE'VE EVER SEEN IN THAT AREA.

I MEAN, IT'S A HISTORIC WING.

♪ ♪ >> CATHY: LAST FALL, THE MINNEAPOLIS BALLOT INITIATIVE THAT RECEIVED MOST OF THE ATTENTION FOCUSED ON REORGANIZING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THAT AMENDMENT FAILED TO PASS.

BUT A SECOND CHARTER AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED BY VOTERS.

THE SO-CALLED STRONG MAYOR AMENDMENT CHANGES THE POWER DYNAMICS BETWEEN MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR JACOB FREY AND THE REST OF MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING THE CITY COUNCIL.

SOLOMON GUSTAVO HAS BEEN FOLLOWING THE RESTRUCTURING AND WROTE ABOUT IT THIS WEEK FOR MINNPOST.COM WHERE HE HANDLES THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT BEAT.

WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.

FOR FOLKS WHO MAYBE ARE IN ELY, TELL US ABOUT -- [ Laughter ] TELL US ABOUT THE STRONG MAYOR AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN BE EXACTLY?

>> SO EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY IN THE CITY OVER DIRECTING WHAT DEPARTMENT HEADS DO, LIKE THE POLICE CHIEF, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT AUTHORITY WAS SPLIT BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR.

AND HAD BEEN SINCE THE CHARTER WAS SET IN THE 1920s.

THIS AMENDMENT CHANGED IT SO THAT ACCOUNTABILITY ONLY -- THAT LINE IS STRAIGHT TO THE MAYOR.

THE CITY COUNCIL IS NOW NO LONGER INVOLVED IN ANY EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE DECISIONS.

SO THAT IS WHAT A STRONG MAYOR SYSTEM IS, A NORMAL MAY YOAOR SYSTEM AS SOME PEOPLE HAVE CALLED IT, ST. PAUL AND DULUTH THAT HAVE A SIMILAR SYSTEM.

>> Cathy: BUT NOW THERE'S A FOUR-MEMBER MAYORAL CABINET AND A 35-MEMBER WORKING GROUP.

DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT'S A DIRECT STRONG MAYOR SITUATION.

>> THE VOTE THAT WAS PLAIFED LAST FALL.

THAT SYSTEM IS IN PLACE NOW.

THAT'S DONE.

WHAT MAYOR FREY IS PROPOSING IS RESTRUCTURING THE REPORTING LINES, SO NOW THAT ALL THE DEPARTMENTSDEPARTMENTS WILL ROOTER DIRECTLY TO THE MAYOR INSTEAD OF BOTH, FREY UNDER THIS NEW SYSTEM FEELS LIKE THINGS NEED TO BE REORGANIZED SO THAT THE CITY EXECUTIVE, THE MAYOR, CAN MORE EFFICIENTLY MAKE EXECUTIVE DECISIONS, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS, AND IT'S PENDING CITY COUNCIL CONFIRMATION.

>> Eric: IS THIS -- OH, LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY.

HOW MUCH DOES THIS DIFFER FROM QUESTION TWO ON ON THE BALLOT LAST NOVEMBER WHICH WAS, WE FORM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INTO A DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, THERE'S A DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SAFETY NOW ONE OF THE PROPOSALS.

>> RIGHT.

>> Eric: AND THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE OPERATING OF THE POLICE, FIRE, VIOLENCE INTERVENORS, IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT QUESTION TWO WOULD HAVE BEEN?

>> WELL, I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES.

MAINLY THAT THE PROPOSAL GOT RID OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS.

THIS STILL HAS THAT.

AND THERE ALSO MIGHT BE DIFFERENCES IN THE EXACT KIND OF AUTHORITY THAT THE POLICE CHIEF MIGHT HAVE OR THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING, THERE MIGHT BE SOME DIFFERENCES HERE.

BUT THE CABINET THAT CATHY WAS REFERRING TO, ONE OF THOSE MEMBERS WOULD BE A NEW POSITION WHICH WOULD BE THE COMMUNITY SAFETY COMMISSIONER.

AND THAT PERSON WOULD BE HEAD OF ALL SAFETY DEPARTMENTS, WHICH INCLUDES FIRE AND POLICE AND 911.

THAT PERSON WOULD HIRE THE POLICE CHIEF.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

SO THE CITY OUNCIL ONLY HAS SAY IN CONFIRMING THAT POSITION.

THERE ARE NOW ONLY THREE POSITIONS IN MAYOR FREY'S PROPOSAL THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD CONFIRM.

THEN THOSE POSITIONS WOULD COORDINATE DEPARTMENTS LIKE SAFETY DEPARTMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMUNITY SAFETY COMMISSIONER, BUT THERE'S ALSO A NEW POSITION WHICH IS THE CHIEF OPERATIONS OFFICER, AND THAT PERSON WOULD BE IN HARGE OF IFFERENT DEPARTMENTS FROM PUBLIC SAFETY TO I.T.

THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE DEPUTIES.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE TWO -- AND THEN THE CITY ATTORNEY.

SO THOSE WOULD BE THE THREE POSITIONS THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE SAY IN.

>> Eric: IT HAS TO BE UNANIMOUS ON THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE IT, CORRECT?

>> FOR THIS PROPOSAL.

>> Eric: AND IS THERE ANYBODY SQUAWKING?

WHO HAS LOST POWER?

>> YES.

WELL, YES.

[ Laughter ] ON THE CITY COUNCIL, AT LEAST ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS SPOKEN, PARTICULARLY WARD 2 REPRESENTATIVE, WONSLEY IS QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT THIS ADDED PROPOSAL FROM THE MAYOR IS NECESSARY, GIVEN THAT THERE WAS THE STRONG MAYOR VOTE IN NOVEMBER.

THAT WAS NOVEMBER 2ND.

THE NEW STRUCTURE WAS PUT IN DECEMBER 3RD.

SO RIGHT NOW THE CITY'S RUNNING.

IT'S HUMMING.

YOU KNOW, IT'S OPERATING.

BUT THE MAYOR IS SAYING IT COULD BE MORE EFFICIENT.

THERE ARE COUNCIL MEMBERS LIKE REPRESENTATIVE -- COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY WHO'S SAYING I'M NOT SURE IF RESIDENTS ARE AWARE THAT THERE'S THIS EXTRA LAYER.

THEY'RE ASSUMING THAT THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT'S COMING ALONG WITH THE VOTE IN NOVEMBER.

THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE.

SO SHE'S ONE WHO'S SAYING LET'S SLOW THIS DOWN.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO FEEL THAT THE 35-MEMBER WORK GROUP YOU MENTIONED THAT DEVISED THE GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE THAT FREY THEN CHOSE, THERE ARE SOME LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER REPUBLICANVILLE, WHO IS ON BOARD, RENVILLE AND -- >> Eric: I'M GLAD YOU'RE ON IT, BECAUSE MY HEAD IS SPINNING.

>> Cathy: YEAH, THANK YOU.

♪ ♪ >> IT'S JUNE, AND THE WEATHER IS IMMACULATE.

SO IMMACULATE IN FACT, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING UPSET AT THINGS.

LIKE THE OTHER DAY, I WAS BIKING TO WORK.

AND AS I RODE DOWN THIS MASSIVE HILL, I WAS DELIGHTED TO SEE THE 63 BUS TURN INTO ME.

AS I WAS SCREAMING AT THE DRIVER TO SEE ME, I COULDN'T HELP BUT THINK, "WOW, WHAT A GREAT DAY FOR THIS."

I NEVER WANT TO GET HIT BY A BUS, BUT WHEN I DO GET HIT BY A BUS, I LIKE IT BALMY.

SOME PEOPLE PREFER THEIR NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES IN THE FALL, BUT I'M OF THE OPINION THAT WHEN DEATH COMES KNOCKING ON MY DOOR, I WANT IT TO COME WITH AN ICE CREAM CONE OR LEMONADE OR EVEN A SWEET TEA; AND THOSE TREATS JUST AREN'T THE SAME IN THE AUTUMN.

DESPITE MY SCREAMS, I WAS HIT BY THE 63 BUS, AND IT HURT VERY BADLY.

IF I HAD TO DESCRIBE WHAT GETTING HIT BY A BUS FEELS LIKE, I WOULD SAY IT'S A LOT LIKE GETTING HIT BY A CAR, BUT LONGER.

AS I LIE ON THE ASPHALT OF GRAND AVENUE, I COULDN'T HELP BUT THINK, "WHAT A PERFECT DAY FOR THIS."

THERE WERE BIRDS IN THE SKY, THE GRASS WAS GREEN, AND MY WOUNDS WERE MOSTLY SUPERFICIAL.

I SLOWLY GOT UP, AND THE BUS DRIVER FELT SO BAD.

HE WENT, "I'M SO SORRY, YOUNG MAN."

I'M STILL IN MY 20S, SO THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR HIM TO SAY.

HE GOES, "YOUNG MAN, DO YOU NEED ME TO CALL YOU AN AMBULANCE?"

AND I LAUGHED, "ON A DAY LIKE THIS?

I THINK I'LL WALK TO THE HOSPITAL."

BUT I DIDN'T WALK TO THE HOSPITAL.

NO, I WALKED TO WORK.

AND WHEN MY COWORKERS SAW ME AND MY PROMENADE, OR AS THEY CALLED IT "A LIMP," THEY ASKED, "WHY SO CHIPPER?"

AND I RESPONDED, "I JUST GOT HIT BY A BUS, AND THE WEATHER IS PERFECT."

♪ ♪ >> ♪ ASK WHERE THEY'RE GOING, THEY'LL TELL YOU KNOW ♪ >> ERIC: PRINCE WOULD HAVE TURNED 64 ON TUESDAY.

AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE AN EVENTFUL WEEK FOR THE LATE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAMER.

PRINCE ROGERS NELSON WAS FEATURED ON A NEW PUBLIC MURAL, A STREET WAS NAMED IN HIS HONOR, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, HE'’S BEEN FEATURED IN HIS VERY OWN PBS PLEDGE SPECIAL.

WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD TIME TO CHECK IN WITH ONE OF PRINCE'’S BIGGEST FANS.

TERRY GRAY IS USUALLY BEHIND THE SCENES ON "ALMANAC," RUNNING THE AUDIO BOARD.

BUT WE BROUGHT HIM IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS AGAIN.

THANKS FOR JOINING US AGAIN.

>> WELL, IT'S YOU KNOW ME.

IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE.

>> Eric: WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE MURAL?

>> I THINK IT'S AWESOME.

I REALLY THINK IT'S COOL.

I THINK HE'S LIKE A GODFATHER LOOKING DOWN ON SOMETHING HE'S CULTIVATED AND THAT HE HELPED CREATE.

HE DIDN'T CREATE THE SCENE, BUT HE DEFINITELY HELPED EXTEND IT.

>> Eric: I'M WALKING DOWN FIRST AVENUE, IN FRONT OF FIRST AVENUE, THE CLUB, THERE'S SIX PEOPLE WITH PRINCE T-SHIRTS GETTING A PICTURE BY THE STAR AND THEN GOING DOWN TO THE MURAL.

IT'S GOING TO BE A TOURIST ATTRACTION.

>> I MEAN, THAT'S JUST IT.

HE DID THAT WITH FIRST AVENUE.

FOR FANS AND FOR MUSICIANS ALIKE.

>> Cathy: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PBS SPECIAL.

I'VE NOT YET SEEN IT.

I WILL.

NOW, THIS IS THE '84-'85, "PURPLE RAIN" TOUR, THERE WERE FIVE SHOWS IN DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT OF 84.

HOW MANY DID YOU SEE?

>> I SAW TWO.

AND I STILL SMILE ABOUT IT.

IT WAS A BLAST.

MY MOTHER SURPRISED ME WITH TICKETS.

SO THAT WAS THE BEST BIRTHDAY/CHRISTMAS GIFT.

>> Eric: WHERE IS A WAS HE IN HIS CAREER.

>> THAT WAS REALLY IN THE BEGINNING OF GOING INTO MEGA-STARDOM.

19199 KIND OF SET THE STAGE.

>> Cathy: WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT THE CONCERTS?

>> PARTICULARLY THE ONE ON THE 26TH, HE PERFORMED A SONG THAT HE ONLY DID ONCE.

TAZE B-SIDE CALLED "ANOTHER LONELY CHRISTMAS."

AND THAT IS THE ONLY TIME.

AND I DID FACT CHECK THIS.

IT'S THE ONLY TIME THIS SONG HAS EVER BEEN PERFORMED.

>> Cathy: ERIC AND I SAW HIM IN THE '90s I THINK AT THE OLD XCEL.

IT WAS AMAZING.

HE LOOKED AMAZING.

HIS MOVES WERE ASTOUNDING.

>> HE WAS A CON SUMMATE PERFORM YES, SIR AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I LOVED HIM, IS BECAUSE HE WAS SUCH A GREAT PERFORMER.

EVEN WHEN HE WAS BORED.

I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO BOBBY Z RECENTLY, TO BE IN THE ROOM WITH HIM, AND HE SAID EVEN WHEN PRINCE WASN'T FEELING IT, HE WAS STILL ALWAYS A CON SUMMATE PERFORMER.

HE JUST -- LEARNER NEVER STOPPED BEING A PERFECTIONIST.

AND MIDWAY THROUGH THE PURPLE RAIN TODAY, HE HAD ALREADY HAD AROUND THE WORLD IN A DAY IN THE CAN.

SO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE SEEING THIS CONCERT AND SEEING HIM AT THE PEAK OF HIS POWER AND TO KNOW THAT MAYBE HE WAS A LITTLE OVER IT IS TELLING.

>> Eric: AS HARD AS HE WORKED DURING A PERFORMANCE, I WONDER IF THAT LED -- WAS IT A HIP INJURY THAT ED TO HIS PAIN AND THEN THE PAIN MANAGEMENT -- >> OBVIOUSLY.

IT'S ALL SPECULATION.

>> Eric: WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I'M THINKING DANCING AROUND IN HIGH HEELS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS WOULD PROBABLY BE BAD ON THE BODY.

>> Cathy: YOU MENTIONED BOBBY Z.

TELL US ABOUT HIM AND WHY WERE YOU LISTENING TO BOBBY Z?

WHAT ARE YOU DOING AT PAISLEY PARK?

>> THE BREAKS FOR THE PLEDGE SHOW THAT AIRED OVER THE WEEKEND.

I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE PART OF THE CREW THAT WAS CONTRACTED TO GO OUT AND DO THAT.

SO WE'VE DONE A FEW F THOSE NOW.

AND WE'VE TALKED TO BOBBY, BOBBY Z, HIS DRUMMER AND MATT, HIS KEYBOARD PLAYER ON A FEW OF THESE.

AND BOBBY IS SO GRACIOUS AND YOU CAN TELL THE REV REPUBLICANS OF HE SPEAKS OF HIS FORMER EMPLOYER AND BEST FRIEND HAS HE CALLS HIM.

GIVE ANECDOTES AND STORIES ABOUT THE LITTLE -- JUST THE LITTLE MOMENTS AND THINGS THAT WOULD HAPPEN BETWEEN THEM ON STAGE.

ONE IN PARTICULAR, IT'S NOT DURING THIS CONCERT, THE SYRACUSE SHOW, BUT DURING THE TOUR, THERE WERE A LOT OF ELEVATORS AND THINGS PUT INTO THE STAGE.

THE STAGE WAS INNOVATIVE FOR THE TIME.

PRINCE WAS GETTING ONTO THE ELEVATOR TO BE RAISED TO UP TO DO THE SONG "THE BEAUTIFUL ONES," AND PRINCE WAS CLOSE ENOUGH TO REACH OVER TO BOBBY TO SPEED UP THE TEMPO OF THE DRUM MACHINE.

HE SPED IT UP TOO FAST, AND THEN THE ELEVATOR WENT UP TOO FAST.

PRINCE IS FREAKING OUT.

IT'S TOO FAST.

BOBBYSAID, I LET IT HANG OUT, AND I LET HIM LOOK IN TERROR FOR A FEW SECONDS, AND THEN HE TURNED IT BACK DOWN.

>> Eric: THERE'S O MUCH MUSIC LEFT IN THE VALUE.

>> YEAH, THE FANS WOULD LOVE TO SEE A DIAMONDS AND PEARLS SUPER DELUXE SET.

THE RUMOR MILL SAYS THAT'S WHAT'S NEXT.

I ASK THE QUESTION ALL THE TIME.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE DMA.

>> Eric: WELL, YOU'RE OUR GO-TO GUY ON PRINCE SO YOU GOT THAT GOING FOR YOU.

>> WELL, THAT'S GREAT THEN.

PLUS, I GET TO WORK WITH YOU TWO.

>> Eric: THANKS, TERRY.

>> ERIC: "PRINCE AND THE REVOLUTION: THE PURPLE RAIN TOUR," A LEGENDARY CONCERT FROM THE CARRIER DOME IN 1985, IS AIRING ON MOST PBS STATIONS THIS WEEKEND.

THE CONCERT FAMOUSLY FEATURES AN 18-MINUTE VERSION OF "PURPLE RAIN."

CHECK YOUR LOCAL LISTINGS TO SEE IF IT IS AIRING ON YOUR LOCAL STATION.

WE'’LL BE RIGHT BACK.

♪ ♪ >> CATHY: LAWMAKERS LEFT ST. PAUL IN MAY WITHOUT FINISHING MUCH OF THEIR WORK.

BUT ONE BILL THAT DID PASS, A $93 MILLION APPROPRIATION THAT ADDRESSES A CRISIS IN MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT IN OUR STATE.

THIS WEEK A BIPARTISAN GROUP CELEBRATED THE BILL'S PASSAGE.

>> IT'S DONE.

THERE AWAY WE GO.

CHAWZ CAUSE II THINK WHEN YOUHEAR A PARENT WHAT THIS MEANS TO THEM, T'S A BIG DEAL.

>> I WAS VISIBLY TAKEN ABACK TO KNOW THAT IF MY CHILD BY ANY CHANCE HAS TO NORTHBOUND THAT UNIT AGAIN, AS A PARENT, I CAN ACTUALLY STAY WITH THEM.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF LOVE THAT GOES OUT FOR MENTAL HEALTH IN THIS SENATE AND IN THE HOUSE.

AND IT IS PROBABLY THE MOST NONPARTISAN BILL THAT I HAVE WORKED ON.

>> Cathy: HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MENTAL TOLL OF COVID AND THE ONGOING CHALLENGES THAT CREATES AND JUST THE MENTAL HEALTH SCENE IN MINNESOTA IS SUE ABDERHOLDEN.

I KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME, SUE.

SHE'S THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE MINNESOTA CHAPTER ON THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE ON MENTAL ILLNESS, OR NAMI.

IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU, BY THE WAY, IN PERSON.

93 MILLION SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT REALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE MONEY, IT ISN'T, BUT AT LEAST IT'S A STEP FORWARD.

>> OH, ABSOLUTELY.

I KEEP REMINDING PEOPLE, IT'S A GOOD TEP, BUT IT'S NOT THE LAST STEP.

>> Cathy: SO GIVE US A SENSE HERE.

LACK OF BEDS.

THERE'S A LACK OF PERSONNEL.

WHAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM RIGHT NOW?

>> IT'S HARD TO NARROW IT DOWN TO ONE.

I WOULD SAY THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS NOT BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THE SERVICES YOU NEED AT THE RIGHT TIME.

SO REALLY WHAT THIS BILL IS BUILD ON WHAT WE KNOW WORKS SO, YOU KNOW, HOSPITAL BEDS, SCHOOL LINKED MENTAL HEALTH, CULTURALLY SPECIFIC PROVIDERS, A FIRST PSYCHOTIC EPISODE PROGRAMS, AND THEN IT KIND OF FILTZ IN SOME OF THE GAPS.

LIKE, WE'VE NERVE HAD CHILDREN'S CRISIS HOMES.

WE HAVE HEM FOR ADULTS, BUT NOT KIDS.

WE'LL BE DEVELOPING BEDS IN OUR CURRENT KIDS RESIDENTIAL PROGRAMS BUT ALSO SHELTER LINKED.

CITIZEN IT ADDRESSES THE WORK FOURS SHORTAGE.

WE LITERALLY HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO GRADUATE AND DON'T BECOME LICENSED.

AND WHAT WE'VE FOUND IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST BARRIERS IS THEY HAVE TO HAVE SUPERVISION.

SO THEY KENS FIND IT AND THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT OUT 6 THEIR OWN POCKET.

AND THAT'S A HUGE BEAR BARRIER.

SO THE BILL WILL ACTUALLY SET UP A PROGRAM TO PAY FOR SUPERVISION.

>> Eric: WAS IT IN THE MID-'80s WHEN THE STATE TURNED FROM THE STATE HOSPITAL MODEL WHICH HAD BEEN IN THE 1800S TO GET FOLKS INTO THE COMMUNITY?

AND I WONDER IN THE SECOND PART, GETTING INTO THE COMMUNITY WAS GREAT, BUT I WONDER IF THE FOLLOW-UP TO THESE FOLKS WHO WERE NOW ON THE STREET, DID WE MISS THAT SECOND PART OF THE EQUATION THERE?

>> WELL, DID NEED TO CLOSE THE INSTITUTIONS, ABSOLUTELY, BUT WE NEVER FINISHED BUILDING IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE PRIVATE INSURANCE PAYING FOR A MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT, YOU CAN'T BUILD A SYSTEM.

AND SO I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS, AND I ALWAYS SAY OUR SYSTEM ISN'T BROKEN, IT WAS NEVER BUILT, WE HAVE FIGURED OUT WHAT WORKS, AND WE JUST HAVEN'T FULLY FUNDED IT.

>> Eric: WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A CRISIS SITUATION VOICER LONG-TERM THERAPY FOR SOMEBODY, I MEAN, THE DRUGS, AND THE TALK THERAPY OR WHATEVER IT IS, I MEAN, IT TAKES MONTHS, IF NOT YEARS, OFTEN, TO GET THE RIGHT MIX.

AND IS THAT ADDRESSED BY A CRISIS BED SITUATION?

>> YOU KNOW, IT IS, BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE GO INTO A CRISIS, AND IT ISN'T THAT THEY NEED TO CHANGE SOMETHING.

THEY JUST NEED TO KIND OF STABILIZE.

AND SO WE KNOW CRISIS HOMES WORK FOR ADULTS.

EVEN -- WE HAVE MOBILE CRISIS TEAMS.

THIS BILL ACTUALLY PUTS ANOTHER $9 MILLION, A LITTLE OVER THAT, INTO FULLY BUILDING OUT OUR CRISIS SYSTEM.

AND SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO INTO SOMEONE'S HOME AND PROVIDE THOSE STABILIZATION SERVICES SO THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO INTO THE HOSPITAL.

>> Eric: I SO.

>> SO, AGAIN, WE FIGURED OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

WE JUST NEED TO FULLY FUND IT.

>> Cathy: HOW HAS THE SYSTEM BEEN STRETCHED BY THE PANDEMIC?

>> UNBELIEVABLY.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THE RATES OF DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY, SUICIDAL IDEATION HAVE GONE WAY UP.

AMONG NOT JUST OUR KIDS AND YOUTH, BUT AMONG ADULTS AS WELL.

AND SO WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE SEEKING CARE.

BUT OUR SYSTEM IS EVEN LESS ABLE TO RESPOND, BECAUSE OF THE WORKFORCE SHORTAGE.

AND SO WE REALLY TRULY ARE IN A CRISIS, AND NOT JUST HERE, BUT FRANKLY, AROUND THE WORLD.

>> Eric: THIS MUST BE A STATEWIDE PROBLEM, BECAUSE YOU'RE -- WE TALK ABOUT LAW-MAKING QUITE A BIT ON THIS SHOW AND YOU ACTUALLY GOT SOMETHING DONE WITH MINUTES TO SPARE IN A YEAR WHEN A LOT DIDN'T GET DONE.

WHAT WAS THE SECRET?

THAT REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS HAD THESE PROBLEMS IN THEIR DISTRICTS?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THEY ALL HEARD FROM FAMILIES, FROM TEACHERS, FROM POLICE, FROM EMPLOYERS, SAYING WE ARE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE MENTAL HEALTH OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND MENTAL ILLNESS, YOU KNOW, REFORMS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN BIPARTISAN, WHICH IS ALWAYS BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO OUR WORK, BUT THIS YEAR, I THINK IN PARTICULAR, THEY SAID WE HAVE TO GET SOMETHING DONE, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS CRISIS.

>> Eric: AND HOW DO YOU BUILD ON ANY IN THE BUDGET YEAR, 2023?

I SUPPOSE IT DEPENDS ON WHO COMES BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE.

BUT WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA?

>> SO WE WANT TO KEEP WORKING ON ON WHAT WE'RE DOING, SO MORE CRISIS SERVICES.

WE REALLY WANT TO STABILIZE OUR CURRENT PROVIDERS AS WELL, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN'S RESIDENTIAL AND DAY TREE., WE LASS NEED TO FUND 988.

988 COMES INTO PLAY THIS SUMMER.

>> Eric: THAT'S THE NEW SUICIDE HOT LINE?

>> AND CRISIS LINE THAT WE HOPE PEOPLE WILL USE INSTEAD OF 911.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'D LIKE THE LEGISLATURE TO GO BACK TO MAKE SURE THEY FULLY FUND THAT TO MAKE SURE -- >> Cathy: I BET PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS.

>> NO, AND WE'RE A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT ACTUALLY PUBLICIZING IT BECAUSE WHAT IF WE CAN'T ANSWER THE CALLS?

>> Cathy: RIGHT, EXACTLY.

>> Eric: YOUR WORK IS NEVER DONE.

>> Cathy: NO.

>> Eric: ALWAYS GOOD TO TALK TO A CLOSER FROM THE CAPITOL.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> THANKS SO MUCH.

♪ ♪ >> ERIC: WE HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS OF WHERE TO START TONIGHT TALKING ABOUT POLITICS.

CONCERNS ABOUT STAGFLATION.

THE JANUARY 6TH COMMITTEE.

GUN VIOLENCE.

A POSSIBLE SPECIAL SESSION.

OUR NEXT TWO GUESTS DON'T KNOW WHERE WE WILL BEGIN, AND THEY WILL HAVE TO WAIT TEN MORE SECONDS UNTIL WE FINISH THESE INTRODUCTIONS.

BRIAN MCDANIEL IS A REPUBLICAN WHO MAKES A LIVING AS A LEGISLATIVE LOBBYIST.

CARIN MROTZ IS A DEMOCRAT AND LONGTIME PARTY ACTIVIST.

WELL, BRIAN, DO THE -- BASED ON WHAT YOU SAW LAST NIGHT, THE CONGRESSIONAL JANUARY 6TH HEARINGS, CAN IT MOVE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER?

>> WELL, THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS HOW DO YOU GUYS CELEBRATE FLOITS FLOITS CARIN MROTZ DAY?

>> THANK YOU.

AS MUCH AS BRIAN IS A STANDUP COMIC, HE'S NOT JOKING.

[ Laughter ] >> Cathy: IT WAS PRETTY COOL.

CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU.

IT WAS COOL.

DON'T DERAIL.

>> Eric: OKAY, THE FILIBUSTER WAS GOOD.

NOW, HOW ABOUT THE QUESTION?

>> CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION, PLEASE?

>> Eric: THE QUESTION WAS, THE JANUARY 6TH MOVEMENT HERE AND THE HEARINGS AND ALL THAT, DOES IT MOVE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER.

>> WELL, I BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE SHOULD WATCH.

IT IS A STAIN ON AMERICA'S HISTORY.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT.

DO I THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE IN NOVEMBER?

NO.

LET'S REMEMBER, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS IMPEACHED IN JANUARY, AND THEN IT WASN'T EVEN AN ELECTION ISSUE.

SO I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS A TEACHABLE MOMENT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

BUT I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY IT'S GOING TO CARRY ON TO NOVEMBER.

>> Cathy: 20 MILLION PEACH WATCHES.

>> NOT THOSE WHO WATCH FOX NEWS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CARRYING THE HEARINGS.

AND SO THE 3 MILLION PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE BUBBLE OF GETTING ALL 6 THEIR INFORMATION FROM FOX NEWS WHO MIGHT NEED SOME OF THIS INFORMATION ARE NOT GOING TO GET IT.

I DO THINK THIS COULD BE AN ISSUE.

SO A THIRD OF AMERICANS STILL THINK THAT THE ELECTION WAS FRAUDULENT.

AND 2/3 OF REPUBLICANS THINK THAT THE ELECTION WAS FRAUDULENT AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS THAT DONALD TRUMP IS BEING POINTED TO AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE, APPROPRIATELY BLAMED AND HELD CULPABLE FOR A LOT OF WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6TH, BUT THE FACT IS THAT A LOT OF REPUBLICANS ARE WITH HIM, AND STILL SUPPORT HIM.

AND HE WON'T BE ON THE BALLOT.

SO I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW VOTERS WHO ARE VERY ENMESHED WITH HIM, WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO TURN OUT OR JUST STAY HOME.

BUT THERE ARE A BUNCH OF REPUBLICAN-ENDORSED CANDIDATES WHO VERY MUCH SUPPORTED, THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDS SHOW THAT THEY WERE THRILLED TO DEATH ON JANUARY 6TH.

THEY VERY MUCH BELIEVE THAT WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF A CIVIL WAR AND I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE.

>> Eric: "MINNPOST" HAS A POLL TODAY.

TIM WALZ 42, SCOTT JENSEN, 0, WITH 44% NEVER HAVING HEARD OF SCOTT JENSEN.

>> SOME OF THIS IS JUST HISS TOUR KEALG.

IN A MIDTERM ELECTION, THE POWER IN POWER IS GOING TO LOSE.

AND I THINK THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T LOOK AT WHAT'S COMING IN NOVEMBER AND NOT SAY THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO LOSE BIG.

I THINK EVEN MOST DEMOCRATS BELIEVE THAT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

AM I SURPRISED WITHOUT SEEING THE METHODOLOGY OF THE POLL, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE SAMPLE SIZES AND WHATNOT, BUT AM I SURPRISED THAT DR. JENSEN IS THAT CLOSE?

A LITTLE BIT.

AND ALSO THAT JIM SCHULTZ WAS ACTUALLY AHEAD OF KEITH ELLISON.

>> Eric: ATTORNEY GENERAL RACE.

>> FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL RACE.

SO I THINK THIS IS ALL INDICATIVE OF JUST THE BROADER, THAT RIGHT NOW, THINGS ARE LOOKING REALLY GOOD, WITH GAS PRICES AND INFLATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT IS NOT GOOD FOR AMERICA, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR MINNESOTA, BUT IT IS GOOD FOR REPUBLICANS SEEKING ELECTION.

>> Cathy: I SEE THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS ALREADY BOUGHT SOME AD TIME ALREADY.

WHAT DOES HE DO THEN TO TRY TO GET THAT TO 44% THAT DON'T EVEN KNOW JENSEN?

>> SURE, I MEAN, SO THE GOVERNOR'S BEEN RUNNING FOR REELECTION FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN RUNNING AGAINST THE GOVERNOR FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AND SO THIS IS THE MOMENT WHERE DEMOCRATS NOW WILL ESTABLISH WHO HE IS, HIS VERY EXTREME VIEWS, OBVIOUSLY THE FACT THAT IF HE HAD BEEN IN CHARGE OF MINNESOTA, MANY, MANY MORE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE PERISHED FROM COVID AND WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HAVE THE VACCINE ROLLOUT THAT WE HAD.

AND SO I DO THINK THAT THE GOVERNOR, HIS CAMPAIGN NEEDS TO JUST PEOPLE WHO DR. JENSEN IS, WHO HIS RUNNING MATE IS.

SAME ITH JIM USMULZ.

WHEN YOU'RE POLLING GAINST A GENERIC REPUBLICAN VERSUS POLLING AGAINST EXTREMISTS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE DIFFERENT RESULTS.

>> Eric: IT'S QUIET.

>> IT'S QUIET.

THERE ARE SEVERAL BARRIERS THAT ARE BEING REMOVED.

YOU KNOW, FIRST IT WAS THE FILING DEADLINE FOR PRIMARIES.

YOU KNOW, NOW IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, GETTING PAST THE AUGUST PRIMARY.

I THINK THAT THAT WHAT REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS NEED TO DECIDE IS, DO THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO DO THIS?

YOU KNOW, ARE THE REPUBLICANS MOTIVATED ENOUGH TO ACTUAL -- >> Cathy: THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE MOTIVATED?

>> AND WHICH IS SURPRISING IN SOME WAYS, BECAUSE THEY REALLY GOT TO HAVE A GREAT TAX BILL TO RUN ON.

THEY SHOULD WANT TO DO THAT.

THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE.

THEY SHOULD WANT TO DO THAT.

THERE ARE THINGS IN EACH OF THESE BILLS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

AND IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE SURPLUS, WELL, Z IT'S THE PEOPLE'S MONEY, THEN LET'S JUST NOT HOLD ONTO IT BECAUSE WE THINK SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT IS NOT A BUDGET YEAR.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.

THE MINNESOTA'S BUDGET IS FULLY FUNDED, AND THIS IS -- THIS IS WOULD BE ONLY BE A SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET.

>> Cathy: WHAT'S THE POLITICAL STRATEGY BRIEFED ALL OF THIS?

>> WELL, I MEAN, BRIAN SAYS, OH, YOU KNOW, REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS BOTH NEED TO DIED.

DEMOCRATS HAVE DECIDED THEY WANT TO GET STUFF DONE.

IT'S THE SENATE REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE ECIDED WE'RE GOING TO GO HOME WHILE WE JUST LEAVE THE TAXPAYERS' MONEY JUST SITTING ON THE TABLE NOT BEING SPENT ON THINGS LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC EDUCATION AND HEALTHCARE AND A TAX BILL.

SO I THINK THE POLITICAL STRATEGY IS THAT REPUBLICANS ARE STALLING AND STALLING AND STALLING SO THEY CAN RUN ON THINGS NOT BEING DONE, DESPITE IT BEING THEIR FAWLGT THAT NOTHING GOT DONE.

>> Eric: YOU WONDERED ALOUD LAST WEEK WHETHER THE GOVERNOR SHOULD JUST SHOW LEADERSHIP AND SAY, WE'RE GOING INTO SPECIAL SESSION AND YOU'RE GOING TO SIT THERE UNTIL YOU GET SOMETHING DONE AS A SHOW OF LEADERSHIP?

>> DID I SAY THAT ON THE POTTED CAST?

>> I DIDN'T KNOW PEOPLE LISTENED TOO THAT.

>> Cathy: OH, YEAH, WE DO.

>> NO, AND THAT WAS MORE LIKE SOMETHING I WAS OPINING ABOUT.

BECAUSE THERE ARE PROS AND CONS TO DOING THAT, AND IT'S A POLITICAL CALCULATION.

AND I THINK THAT REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS DO HAVE BLAME IN THIS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE ATTACH, YOU KNOW, GUN LEGISLATION TO THESE BILLS?

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ABSOLUTELY A KNOWN ROAD BLOCK TO PROGRESS ON THIS.

I SPOKE WITH A REPUBLICAN SENATOR THIS MORNING WHO ABSOLUTELY HAS BEEN A OICE, YOU KNOW, IN CAUCUS SAYING, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DO.

SO I DO BELIEVE THAT AS LONG AS THE CHAIRS ARE TALKING TO EACH OTHER, AS LONG AS LEADERS ARE TALKING TO EACH OTHER, THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A BUDGET YEAR.

SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING -- NOTHING SHUTS DOWN IF THEY DON'T -- IF THEY DON'T DO A SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET.

>> Eric: LARGE PORTIONS OF THE D.F.L.

CONSTITUENT STEASM GROUPS, YOU KNOW, THE UNMET NEEDS GROUPS REALITY WANT THIS SPENDING PARTICULARLY.

AND I WONDER IF THAT REDUCES THEIR ENTHUSIASM F THERE'S NO SPECIAL SESSION TO COME OUT, OR DOES IT ANGER THEM?

WHICH WAY DOES IT CULT?

>> WHEN YOU SAY THE UNMET NEEDS GROUPS, YOU MEAN PEOPLE WHO ARE FIGHTING FOR, LIKE, POOR PEOPLE?

>> Eric: UNMET NEEDS.

>> I JUST WANTED SOME CLARITY.

WHAT DOES IT DO FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE FIGHTING FOR VERY POOR PEOPLE TO SEE THE REPUBLICANS NOT DO ANYTHING TO HELP VERY POOR PEOPLE?

IT AKES THEM KIND OF ANGRY.

I DO THINK THAT WE WILL SEE SOME RALLYING AS WE WILL ANYWAY, BUT, YEAH, I THINK THE FACT THAT THERE WAS MONEY, THERE WERE BUDGET TARGETS, AND IT WAS ALL RIGHT THERE ON THE TABLE AND ONE SIDES JUST WENT HOME AND ON VACATION.

>> NO, I SAT IN A LOT OF THESE, YOU KNOW, CONFERENCE COMMITTEES, AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN HONESTLY SAY, AS SOMEONE WHO'S WATCHED ALMOST ALL OF THEM, AT LEAST IN PART, THERE ARE SOME CONFERENCE COMMITTEES WHERE I CAN TELL YOU, I THINK THE REPUBLICANS WERE ASKING FOR TOO MUCH.

I CAN ALSO TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE SOME WHERE THE DEMOCRATS WERE OT MOVING AT ALL.

AND I KNOW THAT LEADERSHIP HAS TRIED AND HAS SUCCESSFULLY IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE WITH THE GOVERNOR HAD BROAD TARGETS.

BUT THEY DID NOT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MICROMANAGE THAT TO THE POINT WHAT THEY WERE TELLING THE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES, YOU HAVE THIS MUCH, THIS MUCH, THIS MUCH.

AT EAST THAT HASN'T BEEN MADE PUBLIC.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ABSOLUTELY THERE WERE POLITICAL POINTS AND ROAD BLOCKS EING PUT UP BY BOTH PARTIES, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COMMITTEE BY COMMITTEE.

>> Cathy: SO LET'S SWING AROUND TO SOME OF THE POLITICAL RACES.

THE A.G. ATTORNEY PRIMARY.

DOUG WARDLOW I GUESS IS MAKING A PITCH TO FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR ENDORSEMENT?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU WORKED FOR THE "MY ILLOW" GUY.

AND HE'S VERY PROUD OF THE "MY PILLOW" ENDORSEMENT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON TV THIS WEEK SEEMS LIKE A WEIRD THING TO BE PROUD OF.

BUT ALSO, HE SAID HE WASN'T GOING TO RUN IN A PRIMARY, AND NOW HE IS.

SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE ENDORSED CANDIDATE, JIM SCHULTZ, PROVIDES REPUBLICANS AND THE STATE OF MINNESOTA WITH THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN THAT RACE.

>> Cathy: A.G. ELLISON, LOOKS LIKE HE'S GOING TO BE IN A HECK OF A RACE POTENTIALLY?

>> I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS A RACE WHEN IT'S KEITH.

BUT I MEAN, THE WORK HE'S DONE IN THIS OFFICE I THINK HAS BEEN ASTOUNDING TO ME.

YOU KNOW, HE IS REALLY FIGHTING FOR MINNESOTANS.

HE'S TAKING CORPORATE LAND LORDS AND PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES TO COURT.

HE'S ALSO BRINGING IN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF REVENUE FOR THE STATE FROM THESE SEVENTH ALEMENTS AND HE REALLY IS LIKE FIGHTING FOR THE PEOPLE.

I THINK HE'S PRETTY FORMIDABLE AND HIS RECORD SPEAK PEAS FOR ITSELF.

>> Eric: YOU WERE ON THE PODCAST, YOU CALLED FOR THE ABOLISHMENT OF THE CAULKIC SYSTEM FOR ENDORSING HAD HAD CANDIDATES.

>> I'VE BEEN THE LOCAL PARTY LEADER.

I'VE BEEN THE PERSON AT MY OFFICE YELLING AT PEOPLE SAYING, HOW IS THAT THAT YOU'RE NOT PARTICIPATING IN THIS.

I THINK THAT THIS IS AN IDEA WHOSE EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS IS LONG GONE.

AND IT IS NOW A PROCESS THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY REFLECTING THE ELECTORATE IN THE REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS.

AND I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET A GREATER VARIETY OF CANDIDATE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE WOULD JUST HAVE A PRIMARY.

>> Cathy: WOULD YOU AGREE WITH YOUR FRIEND?

>> I MEAN, LOOK, I THINK THAT THE CAUCUS SYSTEM IS -- IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE.

IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO WORK OR WHO HAVE KIDS OR CAN'T ATTEND AND SIT IN ONE PLACE FOR A LONG TIME.

AT THE SAME TIME GOING TO A STRAIGHT PRIMARY SYSTEM IS REALLY EXPENSIVE AND BENEFITS CANDIDATES WHO HAVE MORE MONEY THAN GRASS RITES SUPPORT.

AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT EITHER ONE ON ITS OWN IS THE ANSWER.

>> Cathy: HYBRID?

>> I THINK IF WE COULD GET INTO A PRIMARY SYSTEM THAT HAD SPENDING LIMITS THAT WOULD START TO EQUALIZE THE FIELDS.

>> Eric: WOULD THE LEGISLATURE WANT TO MAKE CHANGES?

THEY ALL GOT THERE UNDER THIS CURRENT SYSTEM.

>> WELL, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULD DO.

I THINK THEY DO SO AT THEIR OWN RISK BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY ELLING PEOPLE IS -- THIS IS WHAT SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD ABOUT IT, AND I AGREE, THESE ARE THE LOCAL PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY ATTENTION FOR A COUPLE DAYS A YEAR.

WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY DO THE WORK AND WE'RE TELLING THEM, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT OU'RE DOING ISN'T VALUABLE TO US.

>> Eric: WHAT A CAP TO CARIN MROTZ WEEK.

>> Cathy: CONGRATULATIONS.

♪ ♪ >> ERIC: LET'S LEAP RIGHT INTO OUR MINNESOTA HISTORY QUESTION.

LAST WEEK, WE ASKED YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED BACK IN MAY OF 1965.

WE TOLD YOU A TWIN CITIAN NAMED LIN LINDBECK -- NOT SEEN HERE -- CLIMBED ON TOP OF A 40-FOOT TOWER AND SAID HE WOULD STAY THERE UNTIL A CERTAIN SOMETHING HAPPENED.

THAT SOMETHING EVENTUALLY DID HAPPEN NINE DAYS LATER.

IT WAS YOUR JOB TO TELL US WHAT THAT WAS.

WHY DID LIN LINDBECK SIT ATOP A TOWER FOR NINE DAYS IN MAY 1965?

SOME OF YOU HAD TROUBLE WITH THIS ONE.

ROLLIE FROM SHOREVIEW THOUGHT IT MAY HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH FLOODWATERS AT THE TIME.

OTTO FROM HASTINGS WONDERED IF LINDBECK WAS INVOLVED IN A STUNT TO GET TICKETS TO THE BEATLES AT MET STADIUM.

BUT THE MOST CREATIVE WRONG GUESS CAME IN THE FORM OF A LIMERICK FROM STEVE AND SUE FROM PEARL LAKE.

LET'S LISTEN ALONG.

>> ERIC: WE'LL GIVE YOU "A" FOR EFFORT, STEVE, BUT AS TO ACCURACY, IT'S A FAILING GRADE.

BUT WE DO APPRECIATE THE "WORK" YOU PUT INTO THAT ANSWER.

SO WHAT WAS LIN LINDBECK WAITING FOR AT THE TOP OF THE TOWER?

MARK FROM BAY LAKE WAS THE FIRST TO CALL IN WITH THE CORRECT DETAILS.

>> Eric: THE OLD TIRE TOWER GAMBIT.

YEAH, LIN LINDBECK SAT ON TOP OF A TOWER IN FRONT OF THE WHITE BEAR LAKE STATION HE OPERATED FOR NINE DAYS.

HE HAD QUITE A SETUP THAT INCLUDED A PORTA-POTTY, A TV, A SLEEPING BAG, AND A TELEPHONE.

HE RECEIVED LOTS OF CALLS DURING THE NINE DAYS ACCORDING TO A STORY IN THE "MINNEAPOLIS TRIBUNE" NEWSPAPER.

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IT WAS THIS WEEK NINE YEARS AGO THAT THE GRAMMY AWARD-WINNING OKEE DOKEE BROTHERS STOPPED BY STUDIO "B" TO PLAY A TUNE FOR US.

LET'S LISTEN TO JOE AND JUSTIN AND THEIR FRIENDS AS WE ROLL THE CREDITS.

I HOPE YOU JOIN US NEXT WEEK.

UNTIL THEN, BE CAREFUL.

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